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	<title>www.Readers-Talk.com &#187; Poetry</title>
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		<title>East Coker by T.S.Eliot &#8211; a fragment</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Cora Stam</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reading Eliot&#8217;s poems is a nice way to spend winter evenings.
I found a quote, from the second of The Four Quarters, &#8220;East Coker&#8221;
&#8220;Do not let me hear
Of the wisdom of old men, but rather of their folly,
Their fear of fear and frenzy, their fear of possession,
Of belonging to another, or to others, or to God.
The [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading Eliot&#8217;s poems is a nice way to spend winter evenings.<br />
I found a quote, from the second of <strong>The Four Quarters</strong>, &#8220;East Coker&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;<strong>Do not let me hear<br />
Of the wisdom of old men, but rather of their folly,<br />
Their fear of fear and frenzy, their fear of possession,<br />
Of belonging to another, or to others, or to God.<br />
The only wisdom we can hope to acquire<br />
Is the wisdom of humility: humility is endless.&#8221;</strong></p>
<p>Even knowing what Eliot is saying here, does not make me wise.<br />
I think you can&#8217;t achieve wisdom consciously.<br />
So, there seems to be a contradiction, because when someone is saying that he is wise,<br />
he&#8217;s certainly not modest&#8230;</p>
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		<title>From Fairest Creatures We Desire Increase</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Cora Stam</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sonnet 1
 
From fairest creatures we desire increase,
That thereby beauty&#8217;s rose might never die,
But as the riper should by time decrease,
His tender heir mught bear his memory:
But thou, contracted to thine own bright eyes,
Feed&#8217;st thy light&#8217;st flame with self-substantial fuel,
Making a famine where abundance lies,
Thyself thy foe, to thy sweet self too cruel.
Thou that art now [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;">Sonnet 1</p>
<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><em> </em></p>
<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><em>From fairest creatures we desire increase,</em><em><br />
<em>That thereby beauty&#8217;s rose might never die,</em><br />
<em>But as the riper should by time decrease,</em><br />
<em>His tender heir mught bear his memory:</em><br />
<em>But thou, contracted to thine own bright eyes,</em><br />
<em>Feed&#8217;st thy light&#8217;st flame with self-substantial fuel,</em><br />
<em>Making a famine where abundance lies,</em><br />
<em>Thyself thy foe, to thy sweet self too cruel.</em><br />
<em>Thou that art now the world&#8217;s fresh ornament</em><br />
<em>And only herald to the gaudy spring,</em><br />
<em>Within thine own bud buriest thy content</em><br />
<em>And, tender churl, makest waste in niggarding.</em><br />
<em>Pity the world, or else this glutton be,</em><br />
<em>To eat the world&#8217;s due, by the grave and thee.</em></em></p>
<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"> </p>
<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><em> </em> <strong>William Shakespeare</strong> 1564-1616 -  Sonnets and  &#8217;A lovers complaint&#8217; </p>
<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><em> </em></p>
<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;">Translation to modern English:</p>
<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"> </p>
<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;">We want all beautiful creatures to reproduce themselves so</p>
<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;">that beauty’s flower will not die out;</p>
<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;">but as an old man dies in time,</p>
<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;">he leaves a young heir to carry on his memory.</p>
<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;">But you, concerned only with your own beautiful eyes,</p>
<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;">feed the bright light of life with self-regarding fuel,</p>
<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;">making beauty shallow by your preoccupation with your looks.</p>
<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;">In this you are your own enemy, being cruel to yourself.</p>
<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;">You, who are the world’s most beautiful ornament</p>
<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;">and the chief messenger of spring,</p>
<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;">are burying your gifts within yourself.</p>
<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;">And, dear selfish one, because you decline to reproduce,</p>
<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;">you are actually wasting that beauty.</p>
<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;">Take pity on the world or else be the glutton</p>
<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;">who devours, with the grave, what belongs to the world.</p>
<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"> </p>
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		<title>The Sick Rose</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 20:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Cora Stam</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[O Rose, thou art sick!
The invisible worm
That flies in the night,
In the howling storm:
Has found out thy bed
Of crimson joy:
And his dark secret love
Does thy life destroy.
William Blake 1757-1827
Songs of Experience (1794)  &#8216;The Sick Rose&#8217;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>O Rose, thou art sick!</p>
<p>The invisible worm</p>
<p>That flies in the night,</p>
<p>In the howling storm:</p>
<p>Has found out thy bed</p>
<p>Of crimson joy:</p>
<p>And his dark secret love</p>
<p>Does thy life destroy.</p>
<p><strong>William Blake </strong>1757-1827</p>
<p><em>Songs of Experience </em>(1794)  &#8216;The Sick Rose&#8217;</p>
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